Willie

Willie

Willie in dock at Bristol 1948

Willie

Willie hulk at Lydney (right hand vessel)

Specification

Willie

LPB identification number 13

Source

(GF)(EA)(CG)(BH(GRO)(BD)(LPB)(CL)(DB)(GM) (RD)(KP)

Name

P.O.R

Description

Dates

Willie

 

Gloucester 5/93
1903
Gloucester 1/20
Gloucester 2/27
Gloucester 1/54

Wd. Tw
Wd 2mK
Wd K
Wd K open Sc.

1893 – 1959

Official number 99531

Code

Builders: - Gloucester Fredrick Charles Hipwood

Dimensions

Length 75ft

Breadth 17.5ft

Depth 5.8ft

Tonnage – (1893) Gross 50.12ton Net 37.97 B.D no box

Engines None -1919

By Chard

H.P. N/A

Beached date

1959

Beached by

 

Miscellaneous

Notes
Glos 5/3.5.93, 1,1, Tw,sq,cvl - - wd (2mK 03) (dim)
Ll.list 25,26 & 29.7.1949 Admiralty, Division law reports. Owners of bger Willie (W) verse Master and Owners’ manager of Tug Benfleet (B) Thomas Silvey Ltd o/ claimed damages from Leonard Sidney Ward and Hubert Fred Ashmead, master and owners’ manager of Tug B for collision of the tug with W at Avonmouth Dock entrance on 14.2.48. Alma (A) moored to pier (dt 7.9f & 8.9a) and W alongside (dt 6.8f & 6.10a) then B secured alongside W. When tide fell owing to slope of mud A fell on W and W was crushed between A & B . W sustained damaged ,timbers strained and she failed to rise on next tide. Judgement. Tugmaster found guilty of a negligent act and judgement entered for plaintiffs against him with cost on county court scale. Action against Mr Ashmead dismissed with costs on the grounds that any suggestions he made for berthing the tug could not be construed as instructions to over - ride the authority of the tug master in navigational matter. (see BS3.91,92)

First Owners

3.5.93 (16) William Butler, Clifton, (16) William Hy Butler (16) Jospeh Beaumont Buller & (16) Thomas Butler all Bristol

Changes

William Hyden Butler, Bristol (96 13)
3.2.20 Altered and R/A
Herbert S Colborn, Bristol (31 34 53)(Thomas Silvey)

Willie ancillary information

The Willie – yet another classic example a an elderly lady worked to her dying day. Ill fated – Poorly maintained- washed up unloved – left to rot in Severn mud her last remnants washed clean by the fast flowing waters. But not before she left a lasting legacy of her repeated mishaps and sinking’s her dedicated crews – her cramped conditions and last but not least her faithful guard Cockrill Mojo– may they both forever rest in peace – wherever she may be ….

Recorded in 1930 Mercantile List
Seen in 1947 photo
Recorded in 1951 Mercantile List
Not located in aerial looking North 1957
Not located in aerial looking Pine End 1957
Located and broken up in 1972 Norman Andrews photo
Not recorded in Colin Green 1996 chart

Eric Aldridge
Skipper of Dredger No 4
Aged 84
River 1929 – 1960
Canal 1960 – 1984
Date of Interview 01.07.03

Furthermore In c.1930 Eric recalls that this was not to be his last brush with the past as his next berth was on the towed barge Willie of Bristol a former side clothed wooden trow owned by Thomas Silvey Brothers of Midland Road. At this time the vessel had been derigged and was in the command of Capt Jack Pocket. He also recalls that the vessel traded with Lydney coal to Bristol a journey that utilised three tides i.e. the vessel would leave Bristol in order to berth at the old entrance at Avonmouth on one tide. The next tide would see the Willie cross the Severn and berth in Lydney in order to be loaded with the help of Crane driver Jack Nelmes who incidentally assisted in the removal of spoil from the canal and dock with the old steam crane. Furthermore as the Willie was being loaded it was important to trim the load and thus prevent cargo shift and possible vessel loss. This in turn required immense stamina and Eric recalls that this was the duty of specialised gangs of dock labour known as trimmers. Furthermore EA fondly recalls a mountain of a man called Brewer Aden the coal shipper, who had trouble fitting his 6ft frame into the hold in order to distribute the 130 ton of cargo evenly. This was all to be carried out in rapid time as the Wellie was required to lock back into the river with the assistance of Lydneys’ lock gateman Bert Morse and keeper Len Gardner, whose son Tom Gardner, the local Ship Wright, and return to Avonmouth on the next tide. At this time EA recalls that Willie’s facilities were very basic and consisted of an aft cabin that contained two bunks, a food cupboard which was screwed to the bulkhead and range which was constantly “stoked for cooking and heating by an a everlasting supply of Lydney coal.” However EA recalls that although the Willie primarily carried coal she was also known to carry bagged wheat and cotton seed discharged in Avonmouth from the vessel Brocklebank Eric also recalls that following the arrival at the port of discharge, the crew were responsible for unloading the cargo, onto quay at which point the dockers would distribute the goods into storage or onto waiting lighters or butty boats. EA further recalls that the discharge process could be assisted by the use of quay side steam cranes or the vessels spare yard arm to form a jib hoist. Eric further recalls that the unloading process was immensely physical and required a lot of stamina as in the case of coal, the crew would shovel the cargo into two tubs, one for loading whilst the second was swung once full on shore and tipped thus reduce the discharge time, that even with these labour saving devices and techniques, could take all day. This however was relative luxury in comparison to the handballing process which was required when the vessel docked at Combwich Pil on the River Parrat. Eric recalls that as a result of the absence of quay side mechanical devises at the port, cargo was carried ashore on the shoulders of the crew who utilised a four foot plank which would allow two men to pass. Furthermore Eric recalls that as in the example of the Silvey Brothers owned former wooden trow George with its two man, one boy crew and its 160ton hold capacity, this task was a feat of strength rarely seen in modern times.

In c.1938 and following a 5- 6 month period on the Willie,
EA recalls the former trow Willie & the family owned ketch Sarah were hulked at Lydney

Doug Bennet
Name Willie
Wood ketch
Official No 99531
Built 1893 Gloucester
Port of Reg Gloucester
Net Reg tons 38
Signal hoist none
Registered 1945
Bob Davis,
Shipwright, Junction , Dry Dock, SAUL.
He thinks that the “WILLIE”, now owned by Silvey & Co. of Bristol, was built as a trow for W. M. Butler & Co. of Bristol within fairly recent times and that plans may be obtainable from Butlers.

He thinks that the “WILLIE”, now owned by Silvey & Co. of Bristol, was built as a trow for W. M. Butler & Co. of Bristol within fairly recent times and that plans may be obtainable from Butlers.

Gloucester Records Office

D4292/1/10
Willie (9)
99531 Gloucester 1893 F Hipwood 11.08.1959 Ship BU advice received from owners

Gloucester Records Office

Vessel Name: Willie (9/26)

GRO Ref D4292 (08 ü ) (09 ü ) (10 )

Official Number of Ship: 99531

Notes Glos 1893 Frederick Hipwood

Port Number: 5-1893

Port of Registry: Glos

British or Foreign Built: British/sail

Number of decks: 1
Number of masts: 2
Rigging: Ketch
Stern: Square

Build: Clinker
Galley: -
Head: -
Framework: Wood

Tonnage: G53.69 – Reg 44.54
Tonnage under tonnage deck
Closed in space above the tonnage deck if any, vis
space or spaces between deck
Poop
Round house
Other enclosed spaces (if any) naming them
Gross tonnage, being registered tonnage, if a sailing ship
If a steamer deduct allowance for propelling power, as per other side
Registered tonnage if a steamer

No of Tons:

Length 75ft
Width 17ft
Depth 5.8ft

Name, Residence and Description of the owners, William Butler of Clifton Grove
Numbers of Sixty Fourths
Shares held by each owner 64

Dated: 3.5.1893

Registry closed detail: Closed 11 May 1936

Any other notes:
08 Closed Feb 1920 reg anew 1/1920
09 RC 13.12.1927 register a new
CC & RC 19.3.1954 reg as new

John Gower
D.G.Gower shop owners in Bute dock in Cardiff the trow Willie or William (* LPB the William)

Brian Hardyman

Brian Hardyman bhardyman@icloud.comHide

I wonder if you can help me.

My grandfather John William Pockett born in Arlingham c1883 worked for Thomas Silvey on a vessel named “The Willie”. This was a coal carrying barge and I remember going with grandfather in my school holidays on the boat. I understand the Pocket family had long maritime links.

My query is if “The Willie” is one of the vessels beached at Purton.  I also seem to remember a further barge being mentioned “The Yarrow or Yarra”.  The Gloucestershire accent of my relations may have been a problem with the name here.

I will gladly let you have any information I have on the Pockett family if it would assist you with any research you are carrying out.

Regards

Brian Hardyman

Index Cards
Name                          P.O.R                                      Description                             Dates
Willie                           Gloucester 5/93                       Tw                                           1893 -1959
1903                                        Wd 2mK
Gloucester 1/20                       Wd K
Gloucester 2/27                       Wd K open Sc.
Gloucester 1/54

Dimensions     (1893) L. 75    B. 17.5 D. 5.8  Tonnage – (1893) G 50.1237.97B.D (no box)
(        ) L.         B.        D.        Tonnage – (1903) G 53.6941.54 B.D
(        ) L.         B.        D.        Tonnage – (1920) G 53.6935.38 B.D
(1927) L.75     B. 17   D. 5.8  Tonnage – (1927) G 53.6938.05 B.D

Builders          Gloucester, Fredrick Charles Hipwood
Engines 1919                          By Chard
H.P.
Miscellaneous
O.N.99531                  Code

First Owners              3.5.93 (16) William Butler, Clifton, (16) William Hy Butler,
(16) Jospeh Beaumont Buller & (16) Thomas Butler all Bristol
Changes                     William Hyden Butler, Bristol (96 13)
3.2.20 Altered and R/A
Herbert S Colborn, Bristol (31 34 53)(Thomas Silvey)

Photographs in
Lloyds Class
Fate     Broken up (tons50.39) MNL Supp Aug 1959
R.C. 11.8.59 Glos – Reg.
Seen on Lydney canal bank 16.8.59
Lydney 23.7.59 Per Tyde

Notes
Glos 5/3.5.93, 1,1, Tw,sq,cvl – – wd (2mK 03) (dim)
Ll.list 25,26 & 29.7.1949 Admiralty, Division law reports. Owners of bge Willie (W) verse Master and Owners’ manager of Tug Benfleet (B) Thomas Silvey Ltd o/ claimed damages from Leonard Sidney Ward and Hubert Fred Ashmead, master and owners’ manager of Tug B for collision of the tug with W at Avonmouth Dock entrance on 14.2.48. Alma (A) moored to pier (dt 7.9f & 8.9a) and W alongside (dt 6.8f & 6.10a) then B secured alongside W. When tide fell owing to slope of mud A fell on W and W was crushed between A & B.W sustained damaged ,timbers strained and she failed to rise on next tide. Judgement. Tugmaster found guilty of a negligent act and judgement entered for plaintiffs against him with cost on county court scale. Action against Mr Ashmead dismissed with costs on the grounds that any suggestions he made for berthing the tug could not be construed as instructions to over – ride the authority of the tug master in navigational matter. (see BS3.91,92)

Historic images
Willie

Willie being recovered after sinking 1950

Graham Farr via Robin Craig Archive
Extant in 1953

Willie              Wd Bge. Ex Tw                     1893-   Gloster
1 Bow qr view Princes Wharf                                                            16.8.48
2-3 Salvaging Willie after sinking in Feeder Canal                           7.11.50
4 Willie on bank at Lydney (Willie and Wasp LPB)                         16.8.59

Colin Green
Willie at Lydney (CG 1954) (CH 1961)
(*LPB incorrect CG date*)

Charles Langford

Recalls that the former wooden trow Willie islocated on the foreshore at Lydney. Furthermore CL recalls that this vessel was crewed to Bristol carrying coal by Bob Green and the security minded cockerel called Mojo, who was won in a draw and spared the chop due to a sentimental bond that had grown between them.
MNL 1930

Name Willie
Rig Wood ketch
Official No 99531
Built 1893 Gloucester
Port of Reg Gloucester
Net Reg tons 38
Owners Herbert S Colburn, Midland Road, Bristol

MNL 1951

Name Willie
Rig Wood ketch
Official No 99531
Built 1893 Gloucester
Port of Reg Gloucester
Net Reg tons 38
Owners Herbert S Colburn, Midland Road, Bristol

Doug Monday Archive

March 7 1934 C Hinman
Willie owned by Silvey and Co Bristol.

Gordon Mote
Name Willie
Official No 99531
Built 1893 Gloucester
Buider Hipwood
Owner William Butler, St Georges, Bristol
Port of Reg Gloucester
Net Reg tons 42
Fate Sank at Moorings 1960
(*LPB incorrect date of sinking)

Doug Northcoat
Willie 75x17x5.8 53.69gross 38.05 net engines 1919 by Chard, beached Lydney 1959 Prop port side (G Farr)

John Perkins aged 74
Lighterman on the Gloucester to Sharpness Canal and River Severn
1955 -1969
First interview 26.06.03
Doug Monday crewed the motor vessel Denby which towed the former trow Willie.

Waterways Archive


Ref

Notes

54.0296

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Willie hulk at Lydney